Why is all crop header for sale Better?

Hale, COI am new to growing soybeans (NE CO ) and am planning to rent an all crop head to harvest, but beans are short and have a low pod set (on the ground! ). I am concerned that I will leave half the beans in the field with the all crop head or do I need to start looking for the flex head. The beans are planted in 30" rows and not drilled. Any input would be greatly appreciated.


Kane


nw paBy all crop I presume you mean a non-flex rigid head if so you better start looking for a flex. No ground is really as smooth as it might look and you will lose a lot of beans.

Martinsville, OhioMy old 78 Gleaner with flex head will shave the ground, I would expect nothing less.

Just hope we get to use it soon!

Cold and rainy today, first beans came off in our area yesterday...

Ed

Hale, COWhat I mean is a row crop head with the snouts.




Eastern OntarioIn my experience the row crop head will cut lower than the flex. It's also a lot faster and feeds better. Upkeep on the other hand is more expensive. In short beans the row crop header will feed better than a flex.



Brazilton KSNOTHING will cut short beans in rows as well as a row-crop head. Absolutely nothing even close..

NC KSYou do have to drive centered on the row exactly to get that nice low cut and never cultivate and throw any type of dirt into the row or you will eat it with the row head.

I furrow irrigated beans and can cut with a row-head.  Set the skid plate correctly and it can work good.

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Edited by Tim KS 9/28/ 23:00


NC KSYou sure can't have any clods thrown into the row (usually happens that way on our soils ) or you will eat them.Nothing I have ever used will cut as close as a row crop head, but I haven't used a 900 seires finger head yet and with the price of beans it doesn't look like i will be running any time soon.

sw corner Iayou can make a 900 series or a 200 series flex table cut sod. On flat uncultivated ground the row head skid shoes do not have mounting holes low enough to cut lower than about 3-3.5". Short beans may be the only reason you might try one, but from my experience, the flex table with an air reel would probably beat it.

If someone gave me another row head, I would cut it up and haul it to alters, and I ran one for 26 years thinking it was the greatest thing since sliced bread.

Dave!  Dave!  You must be hypnotized by those beans being shattered out by the reel to even say such a thing!! 

I've not had much experience with a flex, just a few hundred acres so far, and maybe it's my lack of ability to run it correctly, but I still think the row head will put more beans in the hopper.

JMHO.

Brazilton KS

Tim, you're right.  I'm pretty well sure the row crop will put more beans in the bin then a flex head.  With an air reel it might have a chance, without there's no way. 

The question is whether or not it will put enough more beans in to pay the operating costs. 

That one is a little tougher. 

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sw corner IaDid side by side with a flex table, he cut drilled next to 30" rows that I cut with my row head. He beat me all three trials, from low of +3 to a high of +6. I no longer have a row head.

I used to think like you too. Took a big whoopin before I could see it. If you want to believe otherwise, it is your perogitive, these are just the facts so don't let those confuse anything.


Eastern Ontario

You compared cutting drilled beans with a flex to 30" rows with a row crop header. The question was about cutting beans in 30" rows. First off, were both planted at the same time and fertilized the same? A day can make a big difference. Secondly, drilled beans will set pods higher, therefore reducing the chance of cutting pods in half or even leaving some on the stem.

This year I'm running two combines to get the crop in faster. Both TII. One with a 8 row Row Crop and the other with a 22' flex. I can tell you from experience that the flex will leave more beans on the ground. Head is adjusted to cut as low as it will go and the reel is going same speed as travel. Could not tell you the diff in bu. as I have not weighed them off, but just by looking in the field, I see more beans on the ground with the flex than the Row crop.

Let's say for argument purposes that both heads are a wash. I would much rather cut with a row crop head. More speed, better ground hugging, no chance for rocks, more visibility,etc..

PS: Take off the skid shoes and replace them with disks and your RC header will cut even lower and won't push dirt in loose ground. 

Edited by Clay-All-Over 9/29/ 23:06


Alma NEhows this compare to cuting close to the ground is this close enough for ya ?



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deeredriver
Posted 9/29/ 23:16 (# - in reply to #)
Subject: RE: you would be wrong

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Posted 9/30/ 06:20 (# - in reply to #)
Subject: RE: Not so fastAgreed, you are a lot less tired at the end of the day, and your back side is not all out of wack from puckering up when that big wad goes though (hopefully ).dave swia
Posted 9/30/ 07:12 (# - in reply to #)
Subject: RE: Not so fast

sw corner Iabeans were planted same day by me and the other guy with the drill. I have done both wide and narrow, and apparantly our beans don't shatter like yours. Select seed for this, works for me. In high yeilding beans the flex head will get just as many beans, and you can have any size head your big combine can take. should be good for a 30'. I am in steep hills and following sharp curves with a row head is pretty hard on your mind. If you have straight rows, it wouldn't matter so much.

I say again, the mounting holes in the row head units will not allow you to cut closer than 3-3.5". A flex table will do better than this. I had a set of roto shoes till the durn things wore through the rivets and began to fall off in the field. They do not adjust closer to the ground, and will not work as well as shoes with plastic bottoms.

You are dead right on the rocks. If both heads are a wash, you are a mountain of labor and repairs behind on the row head. Have a safe harvest..


plowboy
Posted 9/30/ 09:39 (# - in reply to #)
Subject: What are you smoking?


Brazilton KSYou are comparing drilled with 30".  I would tend to agree that the drilled beans will outperform the 30" ones, but that has exaclty nothing to do with the topic of this thread. 
plowboy
Posted 9/30/ 09:42 (# - in reply to #)
Subject: RE: Not so fast


Brazilton KS

I can't figure out what you were doing there, but our 653A and 853A were both capable of cutting anywhere down to about a half inch.  Definately, absolutely, without a doubt they cut lower then a flex head, but it is hard on them to run in the dirt like that.

McCartman
Posted 9/30/ 15:51 (# - in reply to #)
Subject: Re: I disagree

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